Home Depot? + The story of when (in 2007) I replaced the original Lead-painted windows in my historic (1905) home.
Originally published on September 2, 2017
Historically, I have had “warm and fuzzy” feelings towards Home Depot in general. Over the years, in addition to shopping there for materials, shop tools and some home appliances, we have also used their Home Improvement Services for several projects. [Plus who doesn’t like credit with no interest for a year!? Home Depot credit services rocked!]
After my children were poisoned in 2005, we eventually relocated to a “new” house [originally built in 1905, and extensively renovated in the 1980’s].
Our “new” house still had it’s original old 1905 single pane windows, and the troughs of these windows were the the most significant lead hazard in the home when we purchased it. [Many scientists agree that dust from original/old lead-painted functional windows in historic homes is a significant causal component (as much as 90%!) of elevated lead levels in children in the U.S., so before we moved in we knew we needed to replace those windows!]
We chose Home Depot, as both the window vendor and the general contractor for the window removal and install. [Note: this was back in February/March of 2007 — long BEFORE the EPA RRP Rule and related compliance standards went into effect.]
We had 13 windows to replace, plus one set of sliding glass patio doors — a total of 14 units, and the cost was just about $14,000 at the time. We had chosen the most expensive (top tier) vinyl replacement windows offered through Home Depot’s in-house program. They are Simonton windows, very well insulated and “guaranteed for life” (truly guaranteed for life.) The main “feature” of this guarantee program is that if they were EVER broken (for ANY reason) Home Depot would come out and replace them 100% for free. No.Charge.Whatsoever. [Unless you also have a house full of boys — several of whom have massive impulse control issues and therefore tend to break stuff on a regular basis — you might not be able to appreciate the potential value of free replacement windows for life!] The salesman also specifically said that “even if the kids throw a BASEBALL” through the window, they would replace it for free!
Well… now we have had those windows for nearly ELEVEN years and several baseballs, darts and other incidents later (requiring three full window replacements and a sliding glass door replacement) we are so thankful we chose this option!
Back in 2007, going into the project however, I already knew from personal experience by this time that nearly all contractors needed “babysitters”; I also knew, intimately, the importance of lead-safe work practices in renovation — and that even though there were “lead-safe work practices” [administrative] laws on the books in the State of Oregon, there was no oversight, no enforcement and accordingly, no compliance — moreover, almost no contractors were even aware of this legislation and the training required by the State or Oregon. So, I personally babysat the contractors — VERY CLOSELY OVERSEEING EVERYTHING THEY DID.
I also personally provided the lead-safe work practices component of the job, as Home Depot’s subcontractor doing the work was not even the tiniest bit familiar with what was required [again, this was 2007 — it actually took a bit of convincing for them to let me work with the contractors, but given it was a whole-house window replacement (and fairly big $$$) they decided to go ahead with my stipulated requirement.]
- I personally laid down the layers of 6 mil plastic inside and outside my home (three layers, actually) at each window site.
- I made sure the contractors worked wet — personally spraying everything with a mist of water from a large hand-pump-pressurized garden sprayer, constantly, before and after removal of the windows.
- I oversaw the top layer of plastic being used to completely wrap and seal each original window in place (right as it was removed ) and I personally ensured that it was fully taped up/sealed in fully non-permeable plastic before it was even moved an inch, let alone moved to the dumpster.
- I oversaw and helped the contractors in wiping down and wetting down all of the original surfaces AFTER the windows were removed and before the new windows were put in.
- I made sure the second layer of plastic was wrapped up and disposed of (with any chips and dust fully contained) at the end of each day of work.
- I put a new second layer of plastic down for the second day of work, stapling and taping each layer to the bottom board of siding [this is what is meant by the expression, “bathtub” tarping] (the house already had new cedar siding — not lead-painted).
As a result, the job that was anticipated (by the subcontractor) to take 2 days to complete, took 3-1/2 days to complete. Mid-way, Home Depot got mad at the crew for “taking so long” (at least that is what we were told) and a second subcontractor (& crew) was sent in to finish the job.
Prior to having the work done, we paid for a hazard assessment and soil testing, so we knew what the pre-work lead levels were. After the work was completed and all the layers of plastic were removed, we cleaned all surfaces thoroughly with Clorox wipes. We then paid for an independent 3rd-party clearance test to make sure there were no newly-created lead dust hazards from the project (i.e. that all lead dust and chips from the window job had been successfully and fully contained and removed).
#Success!
I have NEVER worked so physically hard in all my life… so much bending over and stapling and taping and misting and wiping – at kind of a frantic pace, to keep up with the contractors [and I have done a lot of active things in the world, like riding my bike 2,500 miles around Europe in 44 days!] But the result was worth it! The floors and soil below the window sites were lead-free after the work was done. Our floor levels after the work came in at “less than 10 micrograms per square foot” (the lowest reading) and the soil levels in the area of the windows were equal or close to “0 ppm” lead.
This is why I had a sort of misplaced “warm and fuzzy” feeling about Home Depot:
1. I liked that the window-job was fully financed with no interest for a year
2. I liked that the windows had a real honest-to-goodness lifetime warranty
and most important:
3. I liked that they were willing to work with me and willing to meet my standards, even though it was “above and beyond what they typically did” on similar jobs….
….wait…
…what?!!!!
In retrospect – and in the context of everything that has come to light about Home Depot’s post-RRP behavior (now that I know of the repeated violations that Home Depot subcontractors have recently been investigated for) my view of point #3 changes dramatically… from something I was happy about (yay, they let me work my ass off to make sure the job was done lead-safe and my babies were protected) to something that was truly a red-flag and predictor of what might be in the cards for Home Depot in the future under the EPA RRP Rule: a pattern of non-compliance with regulations / lack of subcontractor training and certification / lack of oversight and actually even continued use of subcontractors who are completely ignorant of current laws and regulations around lead-safe work practices in renovation — and in at least one documented case, an unscrupulous contractor who simply employed “lip-service” REFERENCES to lead safety to COLLECT ADDITIONAL (BOGUS) “FEES” WITHOUT ACTUALLY USING ANY LEAD SAFE WORK PRACTICES! All of this clearly renders meaningless their official statement that, “we vet all our subcontractors”.
To be clear: while it was 2007, and the EPA RRP Rule was not yet in place… the State of Oregon did in fact have existing laws that would have been violated by this installation team at the time (had I not taken over handling the lead-safe work practices component of the work0… it’s just that those laws “had no teeth” (no penalties/no enforcement mechanism).
And so now – in 2017 – we have these completely not-surprising revelations (along the lines of what happened to Lowe’s a few years ago) – click the images below to read the full stories (these stories are from March, April and May of 2017.)
It also now makes a little more sense that, even with really good connections to top management, and an obvious and natural “fit” (in connection with the emergency intervention/remediation grants that I facilitated, I often used them as a source for materials for the work phase), I could somehow never manage to get Home Depot to ever agree to actually join the list of sponsors of my advocacy work! [I guess maybe someone in the organization who knew what was actually going on, really didn’t think it wise to call any attention to the importance of observing lead-safe work practices! Lol!]
As always,
Thank you for reading! And please let me know if you have any questions (I do my best to answer all questions!)
Sincerely,
Tamara Rubin
#LeadSafeMama
“Unexpected Lead Expert”
Mother of Four Sons
April 28 2017
May 2, 2017
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Hi! When painting the exterior of a home (built in 87 and has been painted since), are there any precautions to take to avoid off gassing or any specific paint you recommend??
I have scanned most of your website, and I am surprised that the bulk of information is about consumer goods. Whereas I would think that renovations, like removing windows and exterior resurfacing etc would be the largest source of contamination and would at least have links or videos or some sort of guide lines to educate ourselves thorough enough before hand. After all glaze dishes are not creating dust that is near impossible to contain.
Since I cannot find a post on safe lead practices and questions to ask contractors etc, do you have any advice you can reply with now? We are having windows replaced by Lowes next months and Id like to be informed so I might appropriately advocate for our family.
Hi there L.
There are over 2,100 posts and pages here on this website – so (please don’t take this the wrong way, but…) I don’t think you have scanned “most of the website” 😉 since you are relatively new here (and your first comment was an hour ago or so!)
There is a large amount of info here about lead paint in houses, lead paint remediation and related issues. Have you checked out the “Start Here” post? I am still working on it – but it has a lot of links that fall within the categories you are looking for.
Here are a few links:
1) Start Here: https://tamararubin.com/2019/12/start-here/
2) My post about window replacement: https://tamararubin.com/2017/09/home-depot-the-story-of-when-i-replaced-my-windows-in-2007/ [found by searching for the word “windows” in the search bar, fewer words are always better when using search bars!)
3) Where to start if you find lead paint: https://tamararubin.com/2014/06/now_what/
4) What to know before the lead paint inspector comes: https://tamararubin.com/2016/02/tomorrow/
5) Where to test with a home test kit: https://tamararubin.com/2017/11/where/
6) How and where to test for Lead: https://tamararubin.com/2019/12/how-and-where-does-one-test-for-lead/
7) How to report an EPA RRP violation: https://tamararubin.com/2019/06/asktamara-how-do-i-report-a-lead-paint-violation-video-by-leadsafemama/
8) The Lead Paint Booklet from the EPA:https://tamararubin.com/2019/08/did-you-get-this-when-you-moved-in-to-your-pre-1978-rental-your-landlord-could-be-fined-16000-if-you-did-not/
There is a search bar on every page and there are keywords at the top of each post (you can click the keywords to find more posts about that subject).
Since many experts agree that something close to 90% of lead paint poisoning comes from original windows – I would definitely start your inquiry by watching the preview of the documentary film that I made (if you have not yet watched it), which will probably be up on youtube for just a few more days. The film is a crash course and is fundamentally focused on lead safe work practices in renovation. It has music by The Who and Tom Waits and others and is a real “movie movie” but is not quite finished. It is 92 minutes and I encourage viewers to watch it to the end as there is an important scene in the credits: https://youtu.be/eRKlaC2EjL0
Tamara
Thanks for taking the time to post all these links, but i literally read all of them yesterday. I even used your search bar. Worse you posted the link on the blog post I commented under. I watched your documentary but am getting frustrated by the loop of information on your site. I come to find info and the only info is either personal in nature or personal opinion. I ask a question to engage and you throw me into the loop that left me with questions to begin with. Like you list what you did with HD but you dont tell why you did it or where you learn to do those things. At this point I’m ready to give up and move on, but as another mama I want to support and share you’re work but at some point you have to actually pay attention to the questions asked or there is no reason to be on your site.
Hi there again L,
In fact nearly every single post on my blog is an answer to questions posed by my readers.
I’m sorry you feel your question is not well answered in the posts here. Unfortunately I am just a single person – and a mother of disabled children (lead poisoned children) at that, and (with nearly 2 million visitors to my website in the past year) even spending 16 to 18 hours a day answering questions many days it is not humanly possible for me to answer them all (especially given writing answers can take hours per response.) No one can be everything to all people.
If you cannot find what you are looking for on my site or in my film or other videos (on my youtube channel), please check out your local health department or the EPA’s website (look up the EPA RRP Rule.) The best option might be for you to take the EPA RRP training class (generally intended for contractors) and then you will have pretty solid knowledge of what Lead safe work practices in renovation look like and how to keep you and your family safe.
For a more personalized response, I have limited time available for phone consultations (I usually do two or three a month at most) and can chat with you to explore your questions that way. I charge $250 an hour for a phone consult and generally charge in 1/2 hour increments (starting with $125 for a half hour.)
I also do one-on-one home consultations all over the country. In most locations the current rate for this is $300 an hour with a 3-hour minimum (so $900) and that includes my travel costs (if I am already scheduled to be near your area). Here’s my home consultation / travel schedule: https://tamararubin.com/2019/11/lead-safe-mamas-coming-to-town-click-to-see-the-latest-updated-january-and-april-2020-travel-schedule/ This month I will be in Los Angeles, Chicago, Milwaukie, Pennsylvania, Boston, New Hampshire, Virginia, Baltimore, Washington D.C. and possibly NYC. I travel in January, April and October each year.
You may also want to join “The Lead (Pb) Group” on Facebook. There are over 7,000 other parents (many also parents of Lead poisoned children) who will help you answer your questions there. If you do join the group, please follow group rules and include a photo with your post so that it will be approved.
Thanks again for commenting. I hope you find the information you are looking for!
Tamara