Today, in response to my recent post about supplements and detox protocols, I got the following comment (screenshot below.) I get this comment a lot and wanted to respond in a way that was unambiguous to Chris. Once I wrote my response to Chris’ comment I realized that my perspective on this is something others who read my blog may be interested in knowing, so I am sharing it here. Sorry to not get into it in more detail. I promise to share more of the specifics on my exchange with Andrew Cutler and my reason for coming to this conclusion very soon (as soon as my calendar frees up a bit.)
The screenshot below is the comment from one of my readers – Chris:
My response:
Hi Chris,
I have heard this claim/hypothesis articulated before — but I have never seen (or ever been able to find) any of the science that supports it.
I had an exchange with Andy Cutler (maybe a year or so before he died), during which he clearly demonstrated his fairly fundamental lack of understanding about lead poisoning, blood lead levels, the impacts of lead exposure on children, sources of lead exposure and more.
He had advised a parent in a way that shared incorrect and even blatantly false information — and if the parent had followed his advice, her child would likely have had serious long-term acute lead exposure as a result. His information about lead was not at all science-based and, in fact, was completely contradictory to the well-studied [including some genuine forward-thinking, progressive/innovative – yet scientific/evidence–based] understanding of the issue by the current body of top scientists working with childhood lead poisoning today.
I resolved to write a blog post about this – and was going to – but then he passed away, and my day-to-day work focused my attention on other matters.
I am aware that some parents have reported benefits from his work, but where Lead was concerned, his advice demonstrated complete ignorance and was well, frankly, simply fraudulent – amounting to the spreading of dangerous unsupportable opinions and misinformation — that may very well have led to the prolonged Lead-poisoning (prolonged exposure to a specific and significant source of Lead) for possibly hundreds of children (if not more).
Again – I will write more about this when I have time.
Tamara Rubin
#LeadSafeMama
My son Avi about 10 years ago.
I look forward to hearing details about your exchange with Andrew.
Will post as soon as I have a moment.
Thank you.
T
Hi Tamara,
I’m wondering, have you posted anything more since Feb, 8th 2019 on your opinions regarding Andy Cutler and his “lack of knowledge” my paraphrasing, regarding lead poisoning and his protocol? If not, why not?
I’d like to share my situation but it’s regarding what I believe is heavy metal toxicity and I believe it to be predominately mercury. My body most notably reacted when I had all of my amalgams removed and replaced.
However, I have a strong suspicion that there were precursor reactions occurring well before my amalgams were removed.
But, I don’t want to share my opinion if your opinion is that you’d rather just not address me on my take of this subject. I prefer to honor you, rather, than to put you off.
A. Jeannette
As am I!
How can you make a post bad mouthing someone’s protocol when you don’t go into detail about what he supposedly recommended that is dangerous or wrong? This comes across as slander with no intellectual or scientific proof on your end.
I’d like to know which information you found to be misleading or false. I’m doing some research on my own
Your accusations of someone who has saved my life, my son’s life, and the lives if many continues to be unfounded.
Also YOUR advice to take chlorella MADE ME BED RIDDEN. YOUR advice all but killed me. Stick to what you know, which is the environmental side of lead. Also note many people are mercury toxic amd chlorella amd cilantro make us gravelly ill.
Hi Jen,
I think you have misread my work.
I don’t give anyone advice about supplements, I personally don’t believe in supplements because too many are contaminated from the manufacturing process.
I do tell people to do their own research (and I give them pointers on that) and I let them know what I used on my children for their lead poisoning (that I personally found effective.)
I don’t know anything about mercury poisoning and don’t claim to.
Here’s my main post about this: https://tamararubin.com/2017/01/natural-chelation/
My biggest concern is that many supplements themselves contain lead – which is why I stick with food based interventions for my family. Garlic is my biggest “go-to” additive to my family’s diet. The more garlic the better. But again – this is for my family. I am not telling you to to take garlic.
I did not give you advice to take chlorella. I don’t even know that we have ever spoken or exchanged emails,- so I don’t know how you can claim that my advice to take chlorella made you “bed ridden”.
Have we met? Do we know each other? Are we facebook friends? I have a facebook friend with your name and I checked our message thread and I definitely never gave her any advice to take chlorella.
Tamara
I did his protocol for two years. I got a complete cure from osteoarthritis which doctors said was moderately severe, lupus and I later used it successfully when I got lupus. My bloodwork confirmed before and after that I had the condition and that I didnt have it after his protocol. For reasons I wont go into I had to stop using the protocol, but after 2 years I also got a 70% improvement in very severe biological depression, and ADHD which had prevented me from being able to work because I couldnt learn. In fact wanting to experience my new ability to learn and study after this protocol I graduated with a law degree from the top university in South Australia at the age of 52. I hadnt been able to study effectively since I was 16.
This is pretty unethical if you moderate comments so that only the ones biased to your view are published.
Hi Helena,
Comments are not approved immediately – I get hundreds of comments and communications every day and try to respond to them all personally. I approve almost all comments – even when people are angry and impatient (and not understanding that I am a mother of Lead poisoned children with a very full schedule.)
Tamara
This might seem crazy, and I dont know a great deal about him, except to say 3 things..
1. If mercury amalgams was the cause, surely all my dentist relatives and nurses should be ill, and or dead. I only know of 2 dentists who’ve died from cancer from family friends. Vaccines on the other hand.. yeah im an anti vexer.. 2. Im shocked at his countenance, for his date of birth, he looked 20 yrs older… never a good thing when taking health advice. 3. If he knew what he was doing, he really should not have had a heart attack…I know conspiracy theorists love to say all the good drs are murdered.. but looking at him, I can believe it.
Ps Sorry, youre receding criticism for advice you haven’t even given.
Hi Lisette!
Thank you for commenting. I sort of let this go, but this is probably something I will write more about this summer!
Tamara
wow. ” if mercury was the cause, surely all my dentist relatives should be ill, and or dead”?? this doesn’t sound very scientific. this is like saying ” if smoking cigarettes caused cancer then every one i know who smokes should be ill , and or dead” But you are actually applauding this illogical comment because it “supports” your OPINION. You failed to give any specific information about what you claim are unscientific or worse information that Andrew Cutler is sharing. I seriously question your credibility. I’ll see if this comment even gets posted. If not I will know you aren’t interested in objectivity and simply have some personal issues which somehow were exacerbated by your interactions with Mr. Cutler. When I was mercury poisoned, I had no access to medical chelators and there were many fresh faced 20 somethings on youtube emphatically and confidently claiming ( although never claiming to have had experience) that chlorella would chelate mercury. I gave it a try and it made the mercury poisoning 100 times worse. it made me nearly catatonic. i could barely breathe. I couldn’t walk more than a few steps at a time. I couldn’t hold 2 thoughts in my head at the same time. When it comes to something like mercury poisoning, I would advise people to listen to the people who have had experience with it , not some fresh faced person on youtube who is just making videos about anything and vainly trying to become a youtube personality. When I finally looked into the cutler protocol , I discovered that chlorella was specifically already listed on the “do not take ” list. Had i seen this prior to my nightmare inducing experience with chlorella, I could have been spared some extra misery. This being posted on the “do not take” list is what actually made me realize that the cutler group actually had credibility because I had experienced first had the misery chlorella caused. I knew this being included on that list was because many others had the same experience with chlorella that i had. While the results of the Andrew Cutler protocol may not have occurred in a lab, the actual experience of the thousands of people of who have recovered because of it is very compelling. Also, the recounted experiences by the thousands of people recovering from mercury poisoning IS scientific data . If you choose not to believe the data that is up to you. If you have mercury poisoning , listen to people who have recovered. If you’re a troll with no real knowledge or interest in this issue, you’ll probably continue spreading misinformation.Hopefully no one who needs help is deceived by you. Just because people want something “natural ” like chlorella to be the cure for something doesn’t mean it is.
This blog is not about mercury poisoning. It is about Lead poisoning. My comments are specifically related to bad information he shared with parents about Lead poisoning.
Hello I take 600mcg of selenium and NAcetyl Cisteine daily
It’s doing wonders for my mercury poisoning
Mercury and selenium have the highest affinity for each other compared with any other element.
Anyway it’s the safest way to remove the nasty stuff.
Hi Vin,
The context for my concern are only within the area of my expertise – which is specifically around the subject of Lead poisoning.
Tamara
Lisette, I just read your response today 11-30-19. The road anybody takes for attempting to get any heavy metal toxicity out of their body is going to be a long journey, to be sure. We all are constantly bombarded in so many different ways from all sorts of toxins including lead, arsenic, mercury, cadmium, etc.
I would suspect that many times we don’t even recognize the ways in which any toxicity rears it’s ugly head in or on our body. I can only relate my own journey, in brief, and the method of removal that I have chosen to do in order to clear as much of my toxin’s out of my body.
My chief belief is that the predominate toxin I was/am dealing with is likely Mercury from my amalgams and their subsequent removal. I chose Cutler’s protocol but I did it in a way that is most likely not how most, if few people, would choose to employ. My most notable symptom is that I started with a body rash. I also had swelling behind my left knee and ankle. I initially had an extremely itchy scalp (I thought it was mistakenly from possible exposure to head lice-I was wrong because I had no lice). The itchy scalp and swelling of my left knee/ankle were occurring at the same time but I didn’t put it together. The scalp itching and swelling was occurring at least a full 2 years prior to my having the amalgams removed.
When I had my amalgams removed, that is when I got the body rash. I thought that was the beginning. I was wrong. I thought the rash was from the anesthetic from my dental work. I do NO drugs, so my initial supposition was that I was reacting to the inordinate amount of anesthetic pushed into my system. When I google searched “body rash”, I saw My Rash… in full living color. I saw that it was a reaction to mercury. I researched Andy Cutler’s Chelation (ACC) protocol. I started his protocol. It was and is a slow process but it is and has immensely helped me. Each day I get a little better.
Again I do no drugs of any type, licit or illicit. But I have not just done his protocol. As soon as I was able, I started to again “brush my skin” with a vegetable fiber brush. I had done this almost daily before the rash but it was impossible to do initially with the rash because my skin was like scale on a reptile. But when I was able to, I did it very gently and it was not fun but I knew that skin brushing was for helping the lymphatic system to work better. I did this with the ACC protocol.
What I added on next was re-visiting doing dry sauna’s with hot stones, at my gym. The next thing that I added on to the ACC was to start bouncing on a mini trampoline. The next thing that I added on was to do Liver/Gallbladder cleanse protocol’s (Andreas Moritz). I also added in a few colonics to see the gallstones that were eliminated from my liver and gallbladder. All of these additions were added gradually and only as I could tolerate them.
Believe me, this has been and continues to be quite a journey. This time last year, I was openly apologizing to people in meetings that I had to attend because my face was virtually painful, red, scaley and very very itchy. It took my face a full 3 months to clear enough to not be me, looking horrific (I am not exaggerating at all). Now my face is almost normal. My body is night and day better. But it’s still in process.
This has been an ugly but fruitful journey. I still do his protocol … along with the skin brushing, the trampoline, the liver/gallbladder cleansing, the sauna a few colonics and I am going now start going back to the gym to work-out again. My physical this last month was again normal on almost all aspects of my inner and outer body (as per my blood work).
In my opinion the ACC protocol works for my purposes which was to try to eliminate heavy metal toxicity. I have done it basically cold with no medical intervention methods whatsoever. I want to be stronger and healthier when it’s said and done. My hair grows like a weed (and has for years). And it’s returning to being darker with less gray (very long brunette and never been color treated in any form). I am soon to be 69 and I am pretty active. I weigh around 120, so I’m thin. I have always been a preventative type person with the least amount of crap being ingested in any fashion.
Good luck on any method you choose to use for your body! I hope that you achieve the results you want but please do realize that this is not a quick remedy situation. My body was exposed to those amalgams since I was a young girl. If it takes 2 or more years to clear it from my body, I am thankful that it will only take that amount of time.
Very Sincerely, A. J.
I’m sorry, but his protocol has helped me substantially. As for his untimely death it’s safe to assume judging by his approximate weight and appearance in pictures that he was consuming the typical standard American diet, etc. There are lots of people out there who specialise in certain medical fields and don’t heed to basic health guidance or even their own scientifically backed advice suggested to the public.
I watched a somewhat recent medical documentary where someone was performing autopsies on patients who had passed only to analyse their heart and ultimately conclude what lifestyle factors contributed to their apparent heart disease or generally bad heart health and whatnot; he then admitted he himself indulges in those things and isn’t dissuaded by his own findings but nevertheless educates people on it.
We all do or have made bad dietary choices – you are what you eat.
One of Andy’s phrases was you know you are better when you can eat MacDonalds again, yes we was a big bloke but one area I don’t agree with him on is this idea of once you are better you stop chelating, I believe once you are better you can modify the protocol significantly so it does not hinder daily life (no night time doses) but taking ALA every day morning till night every 3 hours maybe small 50mg doses is what I am going to do for the rest of my life, I have an inherent issue with detoxification and without chelating I believe it’s only a matter of time before I become toxic again.
I have read many testimonials about the effectiveness of Cutler’s protocol. All are anecdotal with out any medical evidence being presented but this does not mean that the protocol does not work.
I have one issue with what Dr. Cutler says about redistribution. I have researched extensively and nowhere can I find his definition of half-life. The half-life of a chemical in the body refers to the amount of time it takes for 50% of the chemical to be eliminated from the body. This means that when the chemical reaches a its half-life in the body, 50% has already been excreted. This idea of redistribution of metals after the chelator reaches its half life is without any evidentiary support in medical or scientific literature and I have searched extensively. I wonder where Dr. Cutler ever got this idea?
Hi, like with all research/science/industry, it often takes DECADES before for ideas to become the norm. Recent papers (2022-2024) on pubmed, describe or reference Cutler’s concepts.
His concepts are all from research papers and he cites them in book. Why would
>> “This idea of redistribution of metals after the chelator reaches its half life is without any evidentiary support in medical or scientific literature and I have searched extensively. I wonder where Dr. Cutler ever got this idea?”
1) Consider searching again, there is at least one recent paper explicitly describing Cutler’s redistribution phenomenon. Not sure paper called it explicitly “redistribution” but it possibly mentioned Cutler and described it exactly.
2) Logically, how else would a compound be processed/removed from body? Either insoluble bolus or body breaks it down. Alternative would be- chelator agent stays in body forever or when it is bound with mineral/metal, the body does not degrade it?
3) ALA is metabolized into dihydro-ALA (the chelator agent), which confuses many people..even some “scientists” I’ve talked with. This prodrug effect makes levels even more stable.
thanks for that Chris. Didnt Andy also get some of his info from russian publications that he had to translate himself, and which likely dont appear in english language searches?
Yes James lol I’ve seen those papers. Cited in one of his books or on onibasu archive and can be pulled up on sci hub. IIRC, they were mostly on how ALA works and something about intra/extra-cellular mercury. I dont know if newer papers would iterate same in english.
You are missing a massive factor in all this, genetics, each substance good or bad has varying affects on different people, of my nan’s generation the last surviving member of that generation was a lady who made it well into her nineties, she smoked since she was a young adult, she drank like a fish (brandy every day), and she attended all the funerals of her 10+ brothers and sisters, my aunty Joan was made of tough stuff. The precise way her genetics were made up made her liver, kidneys and other organs function at their best.
Mercury is a very toxic substance there is a reason why a lot of counties are banning it in fillings, the evidence is there just got to go and find it, some people have other issues which mercury compounds those issues massively.
Hi Tamara – Still looking forward to hearing more about your opinion of Andrew Cutler’s work. I’m lead poisoned and have followed Cutler’s protocol to reverse this condition. It’s had its ups and downs. I’d love to know if there’s a better way. Thank you.
I’m also looking forward to hearing more about your conversations with him.
This is an area I’m wanting to learn much more about.
Without detail, your claim is sensationalist click bait.
My read to date of all the comments does not seem to delineate between the concerns with lead and the validity of Cutler specific to mercury. Often people who become authorities will over reach and make other declarations, and I am not saying this is the case with Cutler.
However, if Cutler is wrong about chelating mercury with DMSA and ALA, then we are all in a bad way. I have conducted extensive research on a silica alternative with Chris Shades Quick Silver protocol. I even spoke with Dr. Haley for 30 minutes regarding NMBI, formerly ROS1. NMBI was in trials in Ecuador at the time. Incidentally Haley and Shade collaborate.
Review of Dr. Pompa’s protocol is to me an augmentation of Cutler for Hg. Pompa has 4 day rounds where Cutler basic is 3 day rounds. Pompa adds glutathione and a charcoal base binder for intestinal clean up as Hg voids.
PLEASE let me know SPECIFICALLY if your contentions regarding lead apply to any concerns you may have as applied to Cutler for mercury detox.
Further, I would encourage you to get specific with any errors or omissions Cutler had concerning lead. State what you think is the worthy protocol and then state where Cutler is in error. Please.
Thanks,
Tom
Chris shade is a dangerous quack out to make a buck, or at best a complete fool… including Zeolites to detox mercury.
Dr Haley is interesting, but he and his company seem deceitful. Its very apparent he is out to be remembered for creating this chemical and his company is out to make big bux from being fda approved w patented drug. Unlike Cutler and others, Boyd is not putting the pursuit of heavy metal/mercury detox study above all. Or if he is, his ego is in the way. Ive read and listened to almost all I can from him, and he briefly mentions ALA/chronic low dose chelation a few times in many many hours. He cryptically says something like ALA is bad or not as good without much explanation. Otherwise he and his co only compare their chemical to D-chelators and IV chelation, pretending like Cutlers protocol which is cheap as can be, doesnt exist. If he really cared about saving people from mercury, he would have cooperated with Cutler in discussing stuff before Cutler passed and Haley would focus on difference between his product and ALA, instead of pretending it doesnt exist for personal gain. Claiming his product doesnt cause redistribution is also fallacious as many anecdotal reports complain of it.
However people like the big pharma solution of take one pill once per day to get better (ie Haley’s NMBI) while Cutlers protocol of taking a capsule every 3 hrs while remembering other stuff seems like too much effort… so they will overlook the questionable parts of Haley and NMBI.
The NMBI ecuador trials were about chronic acute mercury poisoning, not people with mercury already trapped in their body/brain, which in case of mercury, is very different beast.
Hi. Would you kindly explain why you believe Chris Shade is a dangerous quack or a complete fool? I’ve no problem with your opinion, but it would be helpful to have some explanation and proof of your claims. Thanks.
Lies+marketing or naivety (probably former) regarding zeolite / “binders” and mercury.
Ridiculously overpriced products.
Egomanical type that will not explain anything that goes against his narrative/story/hype. Like how do binders get into blood to bind displaced mercury (in light of all evidence otherwise)? etc. I havent interacted w him in years or know what hes up to now, but no doubt selling ridiculously over priced supplements taking advantage of sick hopeless people.
Looking at his website, looks like he has changed marketing strat a bit ie binders are for ‘stage 3 detox’ — no doubt doesnt have the spine to address redistribution, concept now appearing in new journal papers, not an idea people for who can put 1 and 1 together. The prices on his supplements are HILARIOUS. I would not let someone with his face sell me a car, ill just say.
While it does seem to be taking you a LONG time to post your followup article describing why you think Cutler is wrong, I do tend to agree that he wasn’t the picture of health — not even remotely — and often came off as a raving, ranting madman in his ‘Frequent Low-Dose Chelation’ yahoo group — ironically, the Mad Hatter that is equated with mercury poisoning.
He also claimed that he himself was cured with ALA back around 2000-2001. But if that was the case, then why all the insistent and angry outbursts?
I actually had a consult with the RN he recommended, Julie Anderson, back in 2009. And if there ever was a walking definition of someone who WASN’T helped by his chelation protocol, it was Ms. Anderson. She constantly twitched and jerked during both my appointment and her presentation at our local CFS Support Group meeting — clearly physically uncomfortable and in no way the picture of health.
And that was clear to everyone at the meeting. So much so that one member asked her repeatedly how it had benefited her, and what kind of positive changes she had experienced. She basically hemmed and hawed with various unsatisfactory answers — until she suddenly said, “Oh, my knees are a lot better.” Well, that was something. Until she added, “I just had knee replacement surgery about six months ago.”
Having said that, I do know a few people who found benefit from his protocol. I thought it helped way back in 2008-2009, and who knows, maybe it would’ve been better had I continued it for more than the 4-5 months I committed to. But when you look at the big picture, thousands of bottles of high-dose alpha lipoic acid are purchased every single day in the USA alone, with an overwhelming benefit, especially to those with diabetes or pre-diabetes. They’re not getting ‘redistribution’ or whatever he claimed. In fact an 85 year old friend of mine has been taking ALA for almost a decade — he just stopped working about 2 years ago! — and he has a mouth full of amalgam fillings.
If Cutler was correct, there’d be a hell of a lot more people VERY, VERY ill.
The fact is, that hasn’t happened. Yes, some people have had negative reactions. But clearly, they’re in the vast, vast minority, and those reactions may be due to something other than heavy metal ‘redistribution’.
Nevertheless, I’d still be interested to hear why you thought he was wrong about lead.
Hi Kelly,
With the legal actions working against my advocacy work over the past three years – and managing a household with four boys, including two with fairly significant disabilities from being lead poisoned (and a husband with disabilities too!) – I’m about a year behind in my writing! 😉
Tamara
“I’m about a year behind in my writing! ” Oct 2019
Tamara,
it has been over FOUR years, would you publish Cutler’s inappropriate comments regarding lead? Despite “only making $9.00” on this post in 2020, it is still empty clickbait [Defined as: content whose main purpose is to attract attention and encourage visitors to click on a link to a particular web page]. Viral or profit is irrelevant. You made a defamatory statement about a dead person for attention… without posting any evidence.
That is about as clickbait as it gets.
I am trying to be polite as possible. I appreciate you posting your lead tests and public activism and sometimes refer people to your work, but I am embarrassed it has been 4 years since this post and nothing… No doubt dozens of comments over the years urging you to follow up. A follow up which which requires copy and pasting some messages.
Until then its arguably libelous. And speaking ill of the dead… Even if you’re only “making $9.00” from it.
Please… or offer an apology… or at the very least why you remain silent… it no doubt makes some people question your morals, which is ironically bad optics when you are playing a moral high ground vs companies that are poisoning people.
You may not care about Cutler or his work. Tens of thousands do. Your defamatory post could confuse and harm others or stop lives from being saved. This is similar behavior to what some corporations do when confronted with lead toxic products.
c g
I have addressed this in the comments and in several articles since then.
That’s a great comment, honestly. As somebody who’s been in the Holistic Health industry for over 15 years, i’ve also scratched my head and marveled that *so many* people have benefited from ALA, taken indiscriminately/haphazardly, not following ACC protocol. i don’t question the chelation potential of thiol and sulfur based supplements, but there’s also clearly a LOOOOT of variables that affect our health issues.. and people have such diff responses to the same approaches. also, on these protocols we all become victims of confirmation bias- assuming our responses are specific effects (mercury redistribution or release, HERX symptoms, die-off, etc) based on our symptom shifts. i’m sure there are plenty of times we’re correct in our assumptions, but also many when we’re way off. these concerns have kept me from trying the ACC approach for years, as i have been in poor health for over a decade after a 2 year stint on MSM (initially made me feel the best i ever felt, but led to a major health crash years later. i’ve never been able to figure out how/why.)
anyhow- best of luck to you and everybody on here 🙂
Cutler only claimed he was “cured” enough to continue working, never claimed he himself was cured. He said he was sick, he was also obese and took stimulant drugs. He also didnt think much about other healing therapies such as herbs, which imo could have saved his life.
He was certainly a mad hatter. RIP.
ACC helped my life tremendously. It saved my life. I can go on. It works but it is slow.
“Exposure to mercury is an inescapable consequence of human life” says one journal paper. We all have mercury especially in modern lifestyle. We are all constantly dealing with various degree of redistribution– amalgams, chelation or not.
As Cutler’s book says: Mercury doesn’t really kill people, its lowers quality of life. Redistribution or not, how are there so many millions with amalgam fillings? Their chronic exposure to mercury should make them “VERY, VERY ill” right? Cutler explained this. Essentially when someone removes their fillings and are no longer breathing in mercury 24/7, metabolism changes very much, “dump phase” occurs. Essentially body is very smart. It lives and copes to its environment. However allowing mercury to enter the brain like with inappropriate ALA will no doubt make ones life worse.
Yes I would also love to hear about Cutler’s mis~lead comments.
We understand if you are engrossed in family related matters. In the interim, could you please direct us to a protocol that works for removing mercury if Cutlers does not satisfy you? Thanks in advance.
Hi Tom,
My work is focused on Lead, not mercury. I don’t have any experience with mercury removal.
Tamara
I did his protocol for two years. I got a complete cure from osteoarthritis which doctors said was moderately severe, lupus and I later used it successfully when I got lupus. My bloodwork confirmed before and after that I had the condition and that I didnt have it after his protocol. For reasons I wont go into I had to stop using the protocol, but after 2 years I also got a 70% improvement in very severe biological depression, and ADHD which had prevented me from being able to work because I couldnt learn. In fact wanting to experience my new ability to learn and study after this protocol I graduated with a law degree from the top university in South Australia at the age of 52. I hadnt been able to study effectively since I was 16.
Thanks to Cutler’s protocol, I cured myself of rheumatoid arthritis. I used the protocol for 3 months and I had to stop unfortunately. In January 2020 will be a year when I am free with no RA symptoms.
My Doctor thinks I am still taking methotrexat and he is delighted with the results. Unfortunately I can’t tell him the truth because he won’t accept it.
How unbelievably ridiculous. Andrew Cutler was a chemist. Are you? Have you read Amalgam Illness? I have. 58 rounds of Andy Cutler’s protocol fully recovered my son from severe autism.
Please, do tell, what is the half life of cilantro? What’s the correct dose? When does it lose its iconic bonds? What organ excretes whatever cilantro binds to? Oh, you’ll get to it when you have time? You shouldn’t have written this ignorant, unfinished page to begin with. I could explain the benefits of Andy Cutler’s method and compare the chemical differences of DMSA and chlorella in five minutes. If you know your stuff, you should be able to do this in a short amount of time as well.
My post is not about Mercury. My work is about Lead. My issues with Andy’s statements and misinformation he shared with parents are specifically about Lead exposure in children. If you have more you would like to share and can do so politely – please do. Please remember though that this is a website about Lead however – not about Mercury. I have no opinion about his work on Mercury detox as I have no expertise in that area (and have never claimed to have.)
I love how you have anonymized your comment – your email and your website. This is an excellent example of cyberbullying…. hiding behind the veil of the interenet. Thank you for serving as an example (a bad example is still an example) for others.
Tamara
So let me get this straight….
You have time to sit here and write out a blog post bad mouthing an actual health professional (which you, clearly, are not), but dont have time to offer evidence or any real, concrete fully formed anecdote or thought or opinion on WHY you’re making the statement that you are, Instead promising you’ll “get around to it when you have time”….? Seems to me if you have time to get huffy and jump on your blog to impulsively vent via your little blog here, you have plenty of time, especially to logically finish your proposed “idea”. Except of course if you don’t have one, and are just being over emotional about someone whose viewpoint opposed yours and who actually achieved success in his lifetime. Just maybe.
You seem perplexed that everyone keeps bringing up mercury. Then you continually reiterate that you don’t know much of anything about mercury, and don’t have any opinion on what to do about chelating mercury. Mercury is being consistantly asked about because that was Dr. Cutlers main line of research and work. Lead was much lesser his focus and concern. And the entire basis of your argument for distrusting his entire chelation protocol (regardless of widespread success) are his “inaccurate” and “fraudulent” ideas on lead removal, although these are apparently a secret we’ll never know. No one can be an expert on everything. So is his lack of knowledge on lead means we should disregard his understanding of mercury, doesn’t that also mean your complete ignorance on the subject of mercury should mean everything you have to say about lead is flat out wrong? The logic goes both ways.
I notice how very pro-research, pro-science you are in this post, noting that Cutlers opinions dont agree with even the most progressive, cutting edge scientific research. I also notice you dont vaccinate your children, same as myself, presumably to avoid the toxic metals and slew of other nasty, immune reactive, unnatural ingredients that resulted in my daughters severe vaccine injury post MMR. What about the fact that that same scientific institutions you’re using as your logic compass, at this moment, with every breath they have, are repeatedly telling everyone that vaccines aretotally safe and nothing to worry about? If you trust their word so much, shouldn’t you be vaccinating your kids? Doesnt your disagreeing with them make you just as erroneous and fraudulent as you say Cutler was? The fact of the matter is, Andrew Cutler helped hundreds of people and continues to beyond his death, including my 9 year old who lost all ability to speak and walk after the MMR, then regained some of it with chlorella and cilantro, and then was bedridden by that same combo, with elevated liver panels, newly surfaced thyroid problems that slowly came on, and a host of other health issues no one could solve until I found out about the instability of chlorella and cilantro and used Cutlers process to slowly and carefully reverse that state she was in. It isnt a logical fallacy to comprehend that cilantro is a plant. Chlorella is an algae. Both of these are living biological entities at one point, and by that fact are liable to have fluctuations in proteins, sugars, carbohydrates and therefore chemical levels that comprise the medicines they contain. One batch of cilantro shipped over from Mexico grown in a conventional manner and sat on a truck for 3 weeks is NOT going to have the same levels of constituents that would a batch of cilantro that I grow in my backyard organically and tincture or press freshly. There is no stability in that. There is stability in a standardized, controlled synthesis of a specific organic compound such ALA. You are consuming the same level of the same thing time after time after time. Sie you dont understand anything about mercury or its chelation, probably anything about Cutler’s protocol I’ll explain to you that this is crucial to safely removing heavy metals. Most people with metal toxicity have one or more inefficiencies in their elimination systems and any flood of particles can be devastating. You seem to understand this about lead, yet mock Cutler’s avoidance of the same redistribution via plant based preparation. The fact that you have ANY comment to make on ANY part of a system you admittedly know nothing about, based partially on a conversation you claim to have had, that involved statements you cant
bothered to divulge, speaks volumes on your unprofessionalism and flat out ignorance. Dr. Cutler was a CHEMIST, yes. A profoundly complicated and intricate body of knowledge you once again, don’t even have basic understanding of. He was an educated man, a renowned author and a leader. You, are a BLOGGER and a stay at home mom who apparently spends way too much time on the internet forming half cocked opinions. Until you develop some writing skills and literary ethic perhaps you should keep them to yourself in te future.
-Marie Morgan
Practicing herbalist with 9 years experience, Anti-Vaxx Activist, Autism Parent, Genetic SNP counselor, Organic farmer, Proprietor, Starseed Farm & Starseed Farmacy
(Just so we’re clear you’re not being “cyber bullied” ….lmao)
Nice Comment- Marie.
– Tamara
Jeeze, Tamara has made it so clear she was commenting about his Lead protocols only. She was kind enough to warn people of the negative effects of Cutler’s regime in her opinion. It was not an edict. Bully for you and all you are. Are you an expert on removing lead? Well publish your own findings. I guess it is nice of you to comment so people can make up their own minds. Good luck with your life, but stop the bashing.
I would be interested in hearing some real details about why you disagree with Andy Cutler’s views on lead, but all you accomplish in this article is speaking negatively about him in a general way and offering zero specifics to qualify your point. As it stands this article is completely unfair and does not do you much justice either.
This seems like a cheap way for an obscure blogger to get heightened SEO by attracting attention through the Cutler Protocol. You haven’t substantiated anything and don’t appear to want to, as long as the discussion is attracting people to your site.
It is a shame to use Cutler’s name in such a way.
I agree with your comment to Tamara.
I get the feeling that Tamara was really dropping a bomb and then walking away so she doesn’t really have to accept responsibility for what she said and how it was said. She offered no substantiation. I wrote her a nice reply and have to date received no response from her. I guess that’s just the way it goes, though.
From my personal application of the ACC Protocol, it works and it works well!
A.J.
HI AJ, YES. This thread has high SEO, comes up all the time when genuinely searching on AC protocol, and unfortunately even this conversation is adding to that SEO.
Hi Tamara, it is difficult for me to judge Cutler’s advice to the parents you mention because I can never know if the maybe parents misunderstood something, or you misunderstood something or maybe Cutler by mistake said something wrong to the parents. Therefore it is far better to discuss his written statements about detoxing lead. So my question is: Is Cutler’s advice in his book “Amalgam Illness…” about lead poisoning as close to “blatantly false information” as his verbal?
Kind regards
Torben, Denmark
I`m from an epidemiological family and happen to have an old protocol for lead detoxification, as in fast and claimed to be safe removal from the body. Doubt if this includes the brain, I`ve not looked at that. No promises as to its safety etc, but was used extensively among a particular group of people with good results, it is claimed. So in other words, it could be tosh, haha. Anyone interested, I`d like to hear if it`s been tried over the pond from here in Blighty?
Also. Testing for lead, we found not only a plumber had high levels, but his wife too. From washing his clothes? From kissing him all over? From his semen? Nobody`s nose knows.
Also local to me, another plumber died in the bath from a heart attack, aged 49. Lead and the heart eh, but what about soaking in hot water, could that exacerbate things ? Hoges
What’s the protocol?
I’d like to know it too
following
Although you claim not to be, you are screening negative comments in this post and approving only a handful of negative comments to make it appear your comments are fair and unbiased. Ha! I submitted a comment months ago that was never approved. Please don’t pretend it’s a mistake and invite me to re-submit. I’ll not waste any more time with you after this comment which will likely not see the light of day either.
I’m a research Nutritionist and I’ve included perhaps hundreds of mentions regarding your “great work” in my posts and reviews. I’ll not do that again. I’ve lost respect for you for posting this defamatory hit-and-run article, claiming, almost two years later, your still too busy to back it up with facts. This is click bait and it helps increase your internet ranking, pure and simple.
I’m angry with myself for thinking you were the real deal.
Bye, bye Tamara!
Hi there Leslie Estes,
leslieestes1227@gmail.com
I have earned maybe $9.00 from this post. So – not click bait.
And yes – still have not had time to address. [I am responding to you at 1:00 a.m. because that is when I have brief moments to write these days.]
Thanks for referring people to my work.
I will address this as soon as I have time – however with my civil rights lawsuit against the State of Oregon (and managing my disabled / lead-poisoned kids) I am truly about 2 (or 3?) years behind in my writing.
I have to prioritize my time to actually helping families with Lead poisoned kids – and will get to writing more about my exchange with Andy when I come up for air.
I think it is important for people to know that not everyone follows ACC and that some people consider it dangerous (especially without close supervision by a medical provider.) In this way this brief post (and the responses I have provided here) does what I have time to address at the moment.
There are over 400 comments here on the blog (from over the years) that have not yet been approved. It has nothing to do with good or bad – just a matter of time to answer questions.
Tamara
I will earn nothing from this post in monetary value. Also, I am writing it in spite of the fallout I had with late Andrew Cutler, PhD PE (he read something I wrote and did not like it; he was under a barrage of attacks from Big P. and for some reason thought I was a part of it. I was not.)
With this background out of the way, let me say I owe the Cutler protocol my life. Like so many people, I would no be alive today without Cutler’s work, not to mention the horrific pain I was in before I embarked on the Cutler protocol.
I was on the Cutler protocol for at least five years. I finished at a dose of 200mg ALA every three hours, completely free of symptoms. I had mercury, but also lead. Everyone who’s got mercury toxicity will have other toxins in tissue as well, because of the breakdown of sulfation/methylation, gluthatione synthesis and other pathways. “Silver” fillings are made of an amalgam of mercury with lead. These two metals are synergistic in their toxic effect. A study showed that they potentiate each other’s toxicity by a factor of at least 100. In a study, they took a group of lab rats and fed them lead at a ratio that caused 1% of them to die. Then they took another group and fed them mercury at a dose that caused 1% of them to die. Then they took another group of healthy rats and fed them the combined dose of lead that would kill 1% and mercury that would also kill 1%. Guess how many rats died? One percent? Or Two percent?
Wrong. One hundred percent died. 100%.
Not one rat survived the combined dose of lead and mercury. That’s why you can’t discuss lead without discussing mercury. They are synergistic in their toxicity to an unbelievable effect.
All of us are exposed to mercury in our environment. It’s everywhere by now. It’s in energy-“saving” light bulbs, for example. It’s in shots (seasonal-c0r0na also called the flu). You cannot talk lead without understanding mercury metabolism and toxicity.
This is why Cutler’s book is required reading. And this is why DMSA should be administered in small doeses on a mercury-adjusted schedule of every 4 hours not eight, in mercury-appropriate rounds of at least four consecutive days and nights with adequate breaks of this duration, even with people not deemed mercury toxic, because of ongoing exposure. This is the essence of the Cutler protocol. Anything else is quakery.
Once you show no symptoms to the chelator, consider yourself fully chelated, then you can take cilantro. Cilantro cannot be standardized because there is no money in it. It would be preferable to have a “natural” chelator for lead as well as for mercury, but there is no money to be made here so no one is doing this, and toxic people play roulette with their lives thinking they are. R- being “all-natural”. Mercury is “natural” too, as is lead; it doesn’t make it right. Go with what is known to work and well understood.
By the way, ALA (alpha-lipoic acid) is all-natural. It occurs in food and in every living cell of a person’s body. R-LA is a hack; it is only one of the two isomers that must be both present to carry mercury out of the tissue. You must use both isomers for it to be stable. I got badly hurt on R-LA and can attest to Cutler being right no that too, as he was with everything else. You can’t go wrong following his advice, with the exception of synthetic hormones, but this is a topic for another time. God bless.
Hi, Anna. I have severe mercury toxicity along with other health issues. The “off the chart” levels of mercury in my blood were found when I was having some health testing done. The results were confirmed by my primary care physician. No one gave me a safe way to get the mercury out, so I just did nothing other than to stop eating fish, as that was the suspected cause. I would love to be able to connect with you and learn from you. Is there any way that could be possible?
If anybody has any interest in SAFE removal of mercury, please go to the Facebook Group – Mercury Detox using the Selenium Method – whose Admin is Dennis Crouse’s wife. Only the selenomethionine form of selenium is effective.
Dennis Crouse is the fellow that wrote a book about SAFE removal of aluminum via orthosilisic acid (OSA), which high silica mineral waters have OSA and how much, and how to make your own OSA at 1/10th the cost of buying the mineral waters. The book is 239 pages long and has footnotes for all statements, with references to 667 medical journal articles. His other two books are equally well documented.
The Mercury Detox Group also has the details for equally safe lead and arsenic removal.
I have no relationship with Dennis Crouse other than buying his books at retail via Amazon.
Ken Seger, I can’t find the Facebook group. Do you have a link?
Tamara, I need to throw a few caveats up front, first, I run a health blog which I will not promote here so it does not take away from the conversation, second, many of my followers are constantly seeking ways to ‘chelate’ metals. I, inadvertently ran into the Andy Cutler Chelation (ACC) religion several years ago while attempting to clarify what I thought was ambiguity surrounding the protocol. Some of my readers had amalgams and were taking ALA and Chlorella ‘without’ experiencing poisoning symptoms. A few of them were being pushed to dole out tens of thousands of dollars for amalgam removal/replacement when they could not afford such procedures. During my quest to learn more about the ACC, I went on a social media forum dedicated to the ACC protocol and tried to find out why ALA was so dangerous to take when a person had ‘stable’ amalgam fillings. I wasn’t mocking or facetious in any way. I seriously wanted to know the chemical mechanics behind how ALA could ‘pull’ mercury from a stable filling that was not in contact with the blood supply. Anyway, to make a long story short, after I asked my question(s) you would have thought I challenged the core tenets of a religion. I was repeatedly attacked, mocked, and ridiculed. Although I believe ACC has helped some people ‘chelate’ or detoxify harmful substances from their bodies, I realized that I had run headlong into the definition of religious dogma. Bottom line, I was never able to get the answers I needed to satisfy my scientific curiosity, instead I got one emotional or angry comment after another. Answers that I thought were based more on ‘faith’ than on science. Don’t get me wrong, there were many genuinely nice people in the ACC, but there were also many believers willing to step up and openly attack or ‘put down’ any perceived criticism. Either way, many of the comments that you have received in response to this blog post clearly exemplify why I call the ACC a religion for some.
“I seriously wanted to know the chemical mechanics behind how ALA could ‘pull’ mercury from a stable filling that was not in contact with the blood supply.”
If I may say so I believe there are two incorrect assumptions in your statement here, which may be why you were so dissatisfied with the response from ACC. Amalgams are not “stable” and the vapour emitting from fillings is constantly being absorbed into the blood stream; introducing ALA into the mix gives it greater potential to cross the blood brain barrier.
This is correct, mercury has a very low melting point so drinks as hot as tea and coffee can create mercury vapour, friction from eating and other movements across an amalgam can also create vapour.
I spent 2+ years in both the low dose chelation and the amc groups, Andy was one of the least vocal (I did see a few spats with him though), having spoken to Andy offline his main reason for his unwavering stance on the groups was the really sick people that were easily confused by conflicting information, so Andy wanted to be rigid. I came off the groups after a couple of arguments almost 10 years ago, but maintained communication with Andy and several other people for years after.
I am not saying he got it 100% right, but he got a lot closer than most to what was really going on, I remember one of my arguments with him was over genetics he underplayed the role of poor genetics in outcomes, my argument was it’s all connected and all issues should be targeted, specifically mthfr which dealing with that made a big difference to me, also made a very big difference to my son in terms of how we function, Andy was very dismissive of role of poor genes in how they can make things a lot worse for some people.
I have spent the last 10 years off the group only chelating with ALA following Andy’s protocol rigidly until recently with very good results, having had Andy and two good doctors say in 2010-2011 they did not think I would make it and get better, one qualified this statement recently and said ‘Alex you were the sickest patient I have ever had, I really thought you were going to die at times you had so much going wrong, you have proved to me that given the right amount of effort most things can be fixed’. I remember Andy saying in a conversation it’s 50/50 in my book if your issues are now fixable, but you won’t know unless you try to fix them’
I am for the most part reasonably well, my endocrine is not in great shape, my kidneys are not doing so well, but I am able to function and hold down a job with zero sick days in the last year.
One of the key things Andy said many times and this I feel is very true.
‘Get rid of the mercury and see what problems you still have after a couple of years’
No one knows what the outcomes are going to be, I don’t know that if I get rid of all the mercury my ADHD and autism will improve, I just don’t know, nobody does, but you won’t know if you don’t try.
I was diagnosed with mercury, lead, cadmium, aluminium toxicity over 10 years ago, I went after all of them at first, DMSA, ALA etc, tried chlorella before reading Andy’s book, also took very high single doses of ALA before reading the book. Made myself a lot sicker, I communicated with Andy a number of times, he nailed my issues, even though we never met, told me that even though I have had my amalgams removed there was still mercury somewhere, I did a panoramic x-ray and sent them to him (I still have them) he found loads more mercury for the new dentist to pull out, the day after the second round of dental work lots of my symptoms disappeared, still had a number of issues. But I have spent 10 years just chelating with ALA nothing else, year on year my family and me have seen a noticeable improvement. I have come from a place where Andy and two doctors in the UK have said to me I looked like I was going to be one of the ones that could not be fixed. I am still here in a large part due to Andy. I am not saying he is right on everything but he said don’t focus on the lead focus on the mercury first because once the body levels of mercury are massively reduced detoxing anything else is much easier, my lead levels have dropped without me targeting the lead, ALA is not very good with lead chelation so it shows just removing the mercury has allowed my body to detox the lead naturally over time.
I owe Andy my life.
I did Cutler’s protocol for several years because I followed one of his rules in my hair analysis. It destroyed my health. 10 years ago I only had social anxiety. Now I have many physical symptoms that have no solution. Doctors can’t find the cause. I can not work. I am very depressed. I regret taking Ala, supplements and Dmsa every day of my live. I stopped chelating years ago but I’m still just as bad. My life has no meaning.
Sorry for my english.
can you tell us more? did you get X-ray for specks? I’m sorry to hear that but might be hope